AFTERNOON UPDATE – & COUNCIL MEETS TONIGHT

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COUNCIL MEETS TONIGHT!

    City council has a virtual meeting tonight beginning at 6:30 pm. The meeting should be livestreamed on the city’s YouTube channel (click here) and the agenda is here.
     You could not access this site for about two hours this afternoon. It involved a security certificate which my webhost has to fix/renew and they have. Thank you for your patience.
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DID MUNOZ HAVE TO DIE?

     City council meets tonight. The agenda and much more will come later today.
     The city has been sued over the death of Ricardo Muñoz (click here). Because of the suit we finally know the name of the officer – Karson Arnold. Why did it take a lawsuit to learn his identity? How many other police involved deaths have occurred in Lancaster and we don’t know the officer’s name?
    Is LNP executive editor Tom Murse really a “partner” in SpotlightPA as his Twitter account states? Does SpotlightPA know he is a partner?
Please check back later today.

37 Responses to AFTERNOON UPDATE – & COUNCIL MEETS TONIGHT

  1. Anonymous says:

    This kid wasn’t running out of the house to get to the church picnic. He’s running with an 18” knife headed straight towards the cop and bystanders. Nice shot officer! Oh, and police were called by the family that’s now suing the police department. I’m just curious what the cop bashers would do in a similar situation.

  2. Anonymous says:

    I Recall the city police having a social worker on staff, why wasn’t that person at the scene? City council referenced hiring a second social worker; wouldn’t this be the kind of interactions they would engage in?

    • Becky says:

      A brief note – sorry you could not access this site for an hour or two. It involves something called a security certificate and my webhost has to fix/renew it and they have. Thanks for your patience.

  3. Earl says:

    Dear Becky,
    You had asked the question why the officers name wasn’t released at the time of the shooting ? I remember reading some news years back this did happen and some very angry people showed up at the cops house and threatened his family ! They threatened his wife and young children ! Then of course during the night someone vandalized the porch and family car. His kids couldn’t walk to school or play outside. The city had to supply round the clock protection. Let’s remember some of these folks aren’t nice people.

    Your post has gotten quite the turn out !

    • Becky says:

      A very similar death occurred in Philly right after Munoz – he also had a knife and mental problems and was shot dead by police. The new police commissioner, Ms. Outlaw (don’t you love the name!) released the two officers names immediately. I don’t remember the case you are talking about and I’ve not heard anything about problems with the two officers mentioned above.

    • Anonymous says:

      Lol yea I dont remember this either

  4. Anonymous says:

    Why would the police have a medical protocol in place? If you want/need medical you call for an ambulance.

  5. Earl says:

    The footage I saw of the shooting has the officer coming up to the house when the guy’s sister opens the door and out runs her screaming brother with the 18” knife. The sister goes back in the house as her screaming brother chased the cop down the sreet !! Why wasn’t his sister outside yelling for him to stop ! Look at the brothers screaming face with the knife raised over his head ! What would you have ? Some of you anti cop die hards make this old boy smile.

    • Anonymous says:

      The family stated the victim was acting violently due to mental health issues in their call to 911. Whether that was relayed to police is unknown to the public, thanks to the encryption of police radio in Lancaster County. Perhaps police should have instituted new protocols and better training after the senseless killing of Gregory Bayne… instead of sending out a 20-something rookie to handle this call. Reminds me of when a NYPD officer shot a despondent man while he was out on a ledge, causing him to fall to his death. (That cop committed suicide). No winners here and no reason for you to smile. This cop has to live with this the rest of his life!

  6. Anonymous says:

    Let’s hope Carson Arnold gets the care that he needs after dealing with this ordeal. Poor young man hast to live with this the rest of his life

    • Anonymous says:

      Pathetic! He shot Munoz 2 times then came back after he was down and shot him 2 more times. He better live with his decisions like a man. The same way he made a decision to not wait for his partner (that was 6 blocks away) and decided to handle it alone with no immediate threat is the same way he can handle living with Munozs blood being on his hands. Munozs mother has to live with the way she saw her son murdered also. Then afterwards “unknown officers” intervene also and stopped Munoz from receiving help. Every officer should be named!!!! They should not be allowed to remain “unknown.” They should not be allowed to continue to patrol these streets. They should not be trusted.

      • Earl says:

        No, he did not shoot Munoz after he was laying on the ground ! All the officers shots went into Munoz as the young man was charging forward.
        Get your crap straight !

        • Anonymous says:

          Earl learn how to read. Go watch the d.a video again. And read carefully what Becky shared. Pay attention. I deal with facts. And we all can tell who you are.

    • Anonymous says:

      Amen!

  7. Anonymous says:

    I’d love to hear the sides of the story Of the three victims who Munoz had previously stabbed. Seems like if I had a mentally ill person living at my home I would keep the knives away especially given that they’ve already stabbed three people

    • Earl says:

      Why would you even mouth off and get in a fight with 3 people !

    • Anonymous says:

      It was four victims.

    • Anonymous says:

      You won’t hear them admit they jumped or robbed him then threaten to call police. He got the knife from upstairs so he must of had it hidden in a room. He has schizophrenia/bipolar. He probably sleeps with it. I sleep with one also and dont have those disorders.

  8. Anonymous says:

    the family should’ve done a better job of securing weapons in the home before this escalated

  9. my goodness says:

    What would you have done under the same exact circumstances?

  10. Anonymous says:

    Yes Becky!!! Which officer is used as a sniper? The one that likes to take mental patients out. It was done on Liberty st and then with Macho on Pershing Ave? Theres a head shot sniper that needs off the force asap!!!

  11. Anonymous says:

    Why didn’t the family reach out for help after the First day when Muñoz was off of his meds, why not the second day, why not the third day, why wait until it’s a full-blown emergency to call for assistance.

    • Anonymous says:

      That would have taken some time and effort on their part, it’s so much easier to shirk responsibility. Maybe the county and city should be suing them for the aftermath and all that it is still entailing.

  12. Anonymous says:

    The time it takes you to read this is the amount of time the officer had to make a decision about a lunatic off of his medication chasing him with a knife.

    • Anonymous says:

      Actually the officer drove with no sirens on to the location and parked in the alley. His back up officer was 6 blocks away. When the officer made the decision to handle the mental call alone there was no threat with a knife. If you read the officers report it states that as officer was at door he saw munoz go upstairs and retrieved a knife. So the officer was his trigger just like his previous case. He was beaten and robbed then threatened with police and thats what triggered him to stab the 3 people before when he was previously charged. The officer made a decision to handle a mental call he wasnt trained to deal with. Munoz would still be here if officer waited for back up. You cant force someone to take their meds or put that responsibility on the family member. If the officer was not trained properly he should have not been able to make a decision on his own. There was no “knife” threat until Munoz saw the officer. Tbh the officer received some type of training….to drive to a location with no sirens and park away from the home in a alley sounds like its a medical protocol they have in place.

      • Anonymous says:

        It’s like you’re blaming the officer for being the trigger when his family called for the officer.

      • Anonymous says:

        What I hear you saying is that it’s not the family’s responsibility to make sure that their child was medicated however it is society’s responsibility to make sure the individual Gets the proper help they need? Why wasn’t the family trying to get him into therapy and other interventions before the crisis? Why wait until the crisis for help?

      • Anonymous says:

        Thank you for sharing the insider information. So his previous stabbing/slashing incident wasn’t his fault either.

        • Anonymous says:

          No. They jumped a schizophrenia/bipolar person, then robbed him for his playstation, & threaten to call police. Thats what caused the 3 people to get stabbed. He stabbed them after they threatened to call police. Same with the day of his murder. He didnt grab for a knife until someone mentioned police was at the door. The officer also writes it in report he saw munoz walking upstairs then comes down with a knife. Yall just trust the d.a and bs news outlets without reading reports. Do that sometime

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