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*UPDATED - THE ISSUE IS MURDER
Posted on January 30th, 2010 59 comments*NewsLanc.com has an editorial up about the Joy O’Shea Woomer verdict – click here. Please click here for JusticeForJoy.org where new information is being posted.
A couple of notes today:
The story below was almost immediately overshadowed by the breaking news in the Roseboro appeal yesterday so I am rerunning it.
Last evening, Concerned, Hill and I wanted to have some fun and went under a serious topic to do it. I apologize and it has all been deleted and the nonsense is directly above on the tab marked “Chat!” I am working on a way to resolve this problem.
This site, as noted several times, has a serious and a fun side. I realize a format change is required to keep the items separated and that is being worked on.
The grand Trashback gala is finally here! Are Hill and I going with the glam look, the school girl look or the Amish look? You’ll only find out here!
ADEQUATE CARE?
“I did not expect my patient to be dead,” Joy O’Shea Woomer told the court under cross examination by Assistant District Attorney Randall Miller as he questioned why she had not checked for life signs from Brent Weaver every hour of the night.
Under prior questioning by her attorney, Christopher Patterson, Woomer testified she had never stayed outside of a patient’s room – she had always stayed in the same room as her patient.
Woomer testified that she did verbalize her concern to Carol Weaver, but she did not make an issue out of it as Weaver had previously become very upset in a phone call.
When pushed hard by Miller, Woomer responded that the parents could refuse certain care because a patient has the right to refuse certain medical care. Woomer also testified that a doctor had prescribed two medical devices for Weaver which she was told by Mrs. Weaver were not used and kept in a closet.
Woomer’s trial was not about whether she was a competent nurse or provided adequate care. She testified the mother did not want Brent disturbed. She had a baby monitor in the room where she stayed. There was absolutely no expectation that Brent would die that night.
The trial was about whether Woomer intentionally and purposely injected Weaver with morphine knowing it would cause his death.
59 responses to “*UPDATED - THE ISSUE IS MURDER”
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Anonymous January 30th, 2010 at 16:39
FYI, hospitals generally do not send patients (children) home if they are on morphine. If they need morphine, they are kept in the hospital until they are able to take something that isn’t as strong and without as many side effects.
If the nurse feels uncomfortable with what the mother is saying, she should call the nursing supervisor on-call and discuss with her why she feels this way. The supervisor will then tell her either she should check on the boy at least every hour as nurses are required to do by their nursing agency. If she feels that uncomfortable with the mother asking her to stay out of the room for unnecessary things (with exception to his care that he is supposed to be getting - dr orders). Then, she is to call up the supervisor and let them know what is happening and leave the premises.
If the doctor had prescribed medical devices (do you know what devices they were?) for Weaver and they were to use those devices, again she should go against the mother and use the devices or call the supervisor on-call to inform them of what was happening.
I would like to know what the phone call was about and what Mrs. Weaver got upset over.
Also, I have seen that she stayed at the doorway after 2:45 because she heard a moaning sound. When she got to the door she didn’t hear anything and so therefore did not check on him. (This should be stated in her notes as well). So, that tells me, (if she was telling the truth) that he was still alive at that point which further points to her as killing the boy. If the mother really didn’t want her to help the boy, she wouldn’t have given her any monitor at all.
I disagree with your statement, ” Woomer’s trial was not about whether she was a competent nurse or provided adequate care. ”
Because she was a nurse and was there to watch the boy while the parents slept - her nursing care comes into question. If she were a bus boy and while on his break, or even while cleaning tables, killed someone - his bus boy job wouldn’t come into play but because she is caring for this child and his health is something she is responsible for. She is there to keep him in stable condition. What she did to the boy (or did not do) comes into play regarding this trial since the child was not left in stable condition when she left the premises. (IMO).
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frustrated nurse January 30th, 2010 at 17:33
as a nurse who is employed in a physician’s office I can attest to the fact patients are routinely rx ms contin (morphine sulphate tablets etc) while at home NOT solely while hospitalized. Additionally, with insurance companies more focused on cost saving measures than patient comfort now a days, I can assure you that indeed patients are discharged from the hospital on morphine derivitives to control a variety of sources of
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Anonymous January 30th, 2010 at 18:00
MSContin? Someone slipped the boy a time released formulation? The body contained exceptionally high levels that got there over the course of 12 hours or so? Please explain that reasoning, especially when the child had been previously shown to go into respiratory failure at even a normal dose of narcotic. How did he live long enough to obtain those levels on a time released dose?
Morphine derivatives? The lab results were reported positive for morphine, not a derivative.
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Anonymous January 30th, 2010 at 18:04
Do you work in a pediatric office? Generally, even with insurance issues, a hospital does not send a patient home on morphine. This is especially true if the child has had an issue while receiving this medication in the hospital. The liability far outweighs the cost of insurance to the hospital.
I do not disagree that patients (adults) are sent home with this narcotic.
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frustrated nurse January 30th, 2010 at 20:04
I am unsure where you are obtaining your information but patients (adult and pediatric) are most certainly discharged with rx for ms contin, which is morphine, and ms ir. One is continuous release the later is immediate release for break through pain. This is commonly rx in more complex orthopedic cases where adequate pain managment is required.
My point is not to argue what forms of morphine are available but rather to make people aware that nurses in a clinical enviroment are not the only ones with access to this medication. The general population has access to this opitate. It is common knowledge amoung health care providers that opiate medications is readily available to those who seek it. It can be diverted by the patient to whom it was prescribed to and sold to those who chose to seek it as well as purchased via the internet. I feel that it is inaccurate to imply that only healthcare workers have access to it. -
frustrated nurse January 30th, 2010 at 20:04
I am unsure where you are obtaining your information but patients (adult and pediatric) are most certainly discharged with rx for ms contin, which is morphine, and ms ir. One is continuous release the later is immediate release for break through pain. This is commonly rx in more complex orthopedic cases where adequate pain managment is required.
My point is not to argue what forms of morphine are available but rather to make people aware that nurses in a clinical enviroment are not the only ones with access to this medication. The general population has access to this opitate. It is common knowledge amoung health care providers that opiate medications is readily available to those who seek it. It can be diverted by the patient to whom it was prescribed to and sold to those who chose to seek it as well as purchased via the internet. I feel that it is inaccurate to imply that only healthcare workers have access to it. -
Concerned January 30th, 2010 at 22:23
****don’t post****
How do I post in the chat forum?
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justme January 30th, 2010 at 23:35
You are alot of talk and no show. You didn’t attend the trashback event tonight from what I was told. No guts, LOL!!
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ok Becky gosh Im wondering why they didn’t notice us… anyways heres some trashback pics and no they misses me and THE BECKY… http://talkback.lancasteronline.com/uploads/post-2100-1264906032_thumb.jpg…
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Becky edited… lol They missed us… and ya may have to be a member of trashback to see the pics… who’s big mac???? on the pics…. hey Becky maybe have a new contest on Lipnews…. Who’s spending your tax dollars??? BIG MAC ..
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Anonymoustoo January 31st, 2010 at 01:31
I work for an agency. We are “employed” by our client who is paying our services. We do what they ask. It isn’t hard to figure out why she didn’t want the nurse in the boy’s room. Remember, she fought to NOT have nurses in. She wanted to do his care without outside help. Why would she want a stranger to sit in his room? There are plenty of clients who do not want their loved one disturbed unless absolutely necessary. For all those who believe mom is guilty…. she didn’t want the nurses there to begin with, SHE is the one requesting the body exhumed, SHE is calling the DA daily,SHE passed the lie detector test, why the fight; if she was guilty she would not be bringing everything in the light. May God give her peace.
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abbylynn January 31st, 2010 at 09:15
Anonymoustoo,Really…. may God give her peace from all the lying that’s been done in this case.I truly hope the truth comes out that Joy did NOTHING wrong but show up that night to take care of a very sick child!.The mom had a monitor in her room that no one new about why so sneaky??…So she passed a lie detector test.BIG DEAL,lots of ppl can do it.
Lets face it.the operation he had cut him from his neck to his tail bone and put steal plates in.How much pain meds would you require for that?? -
food for thought..
if mrs weaver committed the perfect crime; why ask the DA over a six year period to reopen the case?
hell, i would be having fun in Puerto Rico if i got away with killing my son!
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Moon Dust January 31st, 2010 at 13:38
Maybe Mr. Weaver committed the perfect crime with out Mrs. Weavers knowledge.
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Daisy Lee Myers, RN January 31st, 2010 at 13:40
The nurse trouble started when she deviated from the “standard of care” as per any nurse practice act.
(this can apply to any nurse, not just nurse woomer).Regardless of instructions left by parents to stay out of a room;
You must check your patient. not via a doorway either!if you ever been at a civil trial(8 for me) of a malpractice case, the plaintiff lawyer will always ask the same question:
what does a reasonably prudent nurse do when it comes to checking their patient?
answer varies from state to state.but, you do check the patient every 1/2 to 45 minutes.
and you can use a Pen Light or your cell-phone light to see your patient without disturbing him!
and a child with a tube feeding…
OY VEY!
You got to check for residual and HIS airway(for aspiration).
The feeding was a 12 hour bottle
at 90cc/hour per newspaper article.And the thing that could had helped nurse woomer was her nursing notes.
There was no documentation after 2:15 am.
(PER newspaper article)..a nursing rule– “if it ain’t documented.. it wasn’t done!”
And these nursing notes would had been her bible for the civil(bayada nursing agency) as well as the criminal case.
Nurses must protect their nursing license as ALL cost.. good documentation and check your patient!!
Using the computer at times is ok, but your priority is your patient!
period.
I “FINALLY” agree with Becky, the morphine will be the issue in the appeals process, but every “crime” is looked at from start to finish.
and you got to know what happened those last 8 hours WHEN the nurse by her own admission was the “sole” caretaker of brent weaver.I wish the BEST for ms woomer.
and I would like to suggest that she ask the University of Penn Law School
or
Dickenson Law School to take her case pro-bono for her appeal(she has no dough per her website).Alan Dershowitz won Claus Von Bulow case(REVERSAL OF FORTUNE) with the help of his Harvard Law students(Jim Cramer of the show, “Mad Money” was one of those students).
good luck!
DAISY LEE MYERS, RN
MIAMI BEACH, FL
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Why does everyone assume that it had to be Joy or the Mom whose actions led to the death of this boy. Why not the Dad? Think about it. He may have been so sick of not having his wife; of having her life so completely consumed with caring for their child. This was a way to have her back; to not have to share her attentions with such an overwhelming child. It would explain why the Mom continued to push after so much time had gone by.
And all the arguments about Morphine…. People act like Morphine is some special drug that is so hard to get a hold of and only given out in the most extreme of circumstances. It’s everywhere people. Probably more than half the readers on here (probably a lot higher) have or have had morphine in some form prescribed for them at some time or another. Just because the label doesn’t say “Morphine” doesn’t mean it isn’t contained in those “painkillers” we all have had in our medicine chest at one time or another. Oxycontin, Oxycodone, MSIR….just a few. These drugs are everywhere and they are prescribed so freely it is scary.
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Anonymous January 31st, 2010 at 14:06
Abbylynn: You must check your facts. He had a reaction to Morphine and another medication similar to this. They would not send the child home with that type of medication with his history.
Even if they found a syringe with her (the nurse’s) fingerprints on it, I’m sure you would say that the cops or maybe the mom planted that evidence or some sort of nonsense and still blame the mom for the killing. Remember, the nurse took the extension tube with her and did not throw it out in the trash cans in the home - why? What was she hiding????
A mom putting another monitor in her room so she could make sure nothing bad was happening to her son….THAT SNEAKY MOM!!! HOW DARE she want to make sure her son is not being abused by random “nurses” that are coming into her home!
frustrated nurse: my child has had multiple surgeries, of which, has had to be on morphine multiple times. They refused to release my child from the hospital because my child was still on Morphine. This was two hospitals, not one. Also, I am sure people can get it online (but I’m also sure they checked into that idea - if any was purchased, the defense would have been all over it). Isn’t it a little odd that around this same time she (the nurse) had access to Morphine yet there was no traceable evidence that the parents received any of this “on the side”.
If I did the crime, I wouldn’t be pushing for answers either.
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Moon Dust January 31st, 2010 at 14:44
“the nurse took the extension tube with her and did not throw it out in the trash cans in the home - why?”
Anonymous where did it say that she did not throw it in the trash cans at the home? Also she admitted that she threw out the tube…so if she did have something to hide why would she admit to throwing it out at all? -
Anonymous January 31st, 2010 at 15:11
Oxycontin, Oxycodone - sorry, that’s not morphine. While I don’t think you would have to look too hard to find someone’s medicine cupboard with formulations of oxycodone, you don’t too often see a bottle of morphine squirreled away.
[sarcasm] Hey, maybe one of the other children killed Brent. I mean, since everyone has a large personal stash of morphine sitting around… Small children are spiteful like that too. [/sarcasm]
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Anonymous January 31st, 2010 at 15:19
“Carol Weaver said she realized that a 12-inch feeding tube was missing from Brent’s room when she returned home from the hospital after Brent’s death. An East Hempfield police officer, who had inspected the Weavers’ home that day, testified that he did not notice the tube in trash cans within the house.”
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Concerned January 31st, 2010 at 16:59
About the tube issue: If Joy is an experienced nurse, there are some habits that are nearly impossible to break. The biggest one is cleaning up. Daisy Lee Myers, RN should be able to back this up. In a hospital, whether the OR, ICU or ER, the nurses begin clean up almost immediately after the patient leaves. It could be to prepare for the next patient or just simple hospital policy to prevent disease or a cluttered work environment. It would not surprise me in the least if she cleaned up after Brent left. Joy would have been likely been in dazed frame of mind after losing a patient and instincts would kick in, that being cleaning up in this case and possibly doing some notes.
Cleaning up should not be the nail that closes the deal for this case, if nursing practices were explained at trial.
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persona non gratin January 31st, 2010 at 17:17
I wonder what would make Carol Weaver go looking for the feeding tube upon returning from the hospital after having just lost her child. I would think she’d have had other things on her mind.
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Concerned January 31st, 2010 at 17:39
Well that’s a good question, could be something innocent like she was near his bed and happened to notice it missing. If it was ruled a suspicious death from the beginning I even wonder why anyone was allowed near that house, it should have been a secured crime scene.
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Moon Dust January 31st, 2010 at 18:20
If I was the mother, I would have been so numb and in a state of shock that the last thing I would notice was what was missing, and in that state of mind the last thing I would think of doing would be to go into the boys room to clean it up. Also if An East Hempfield police officer was there searching the home why was the feeding bag thrown away by Mrs. Weaver? Why wasn’t that examined? Also remember the home was not considered a crime scene as Brent death at that time was considered natural causes, which also I have to say if I was told my child died of natural causes…before the body was released for burial I would have demanded a autopsy asap to find out exactly what natural cause killed my child. I would not have waited until the funeral to say…I want a autopsy, which Brnt was still buried without the autopsy, until the tox tests came back and it was the coroner that called and asked for the body to be exhumed. And so many ask Why? why would Carol Weaver call 100 times to have this investagated? Perhaps as I said before mr. Weaver commited the crime with out her knowing, or perhaps…so that she would look innocent. This happened 6 yrs before the nurses arrest and almost 8 years before the trial. Of course the nurse and Mrs. Weavers testomonies are not going to be worded exactly as the statements they gave the detective back in 2003 when they were questioned. The nurse had a right to remain silent, which she should have done since every thing she stated back in 2003 is being twisted into something else. it would have been Joy’s best interest to have her lawyer called in to be with her when she was being questioned. but she didn’t which makes me think that she felt she had nothing to hide, therefore did not request her lawyer be there. I wish Joy would have told Bayada “no” one last time as she has been refusing to go to the home the last times Bayada asked her. Also I would like to know why the old DA never brough this charge…did he think there was not enough evidence for the arrest? In conclusion, I believe it took to long for this case to be fully investagated as all physical evidence had been disposed of and disrupted..which led the trial to be based on circumstantial evidence, which I have to add that there was as much circumstantial evidence to convict the parents as there was to convict Joy. Hoping someone gets the transcripts of the whole trial. IMO trial transcripts should be on the court website for all to view.
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Concerned January 31st, 2010 at 19:00
Trial transcripts are public records after the trial aren’t they? Why wouldn’t anyone be able to stop by the clerk of records and get the transcripts?
As far as the mother goes, people do strange things when a loved one dies. My brother sat in my grandmother’s room after she passed just looking over everything to take it all in and remember every little detail about our grandma before it all was boxed up. He noticed that her crucifix was not on the wall. He didn’t realize that we sent it with her to the funeral home. I’m not convinced that the mother noticing this is that out of the ordinary. But what does bother me is what happened in the days after his death.
Medical problems or not, isn’t it normal policy to have an autopsy of a person if they died outside of a hospital type environment? Especially when it is a child? I don’t think I have ever heard of an autopsy not being done on a child that died at the home.
Why would he even be buried if there were pending lab results?
If they got all the evidence the first time what would be the need to re-examine the body? They take blood, stomach, brain and tissue samples at the autopsy, wasn’t that enough? What came from the second examine that they didn’t get from the first?
When the child first died, did the mother cry foul at that time, or was it only after the lab results?
Did the police seize any evidence when Brent died, or was it only after they found he had been murdered?
How many labs analyzed the morphine results? Is it possible that it could be a false positive? There are tons of false positives in drug tests (see http://www.askdocweb.com/falsepositives.html).
Is the entire case based on that he died on morphine poisoning?
What about any family addictions? Was anyone in the family battling a heroin addiction. Heroin is a brand name and shows up as Diacetylmorphine in a drug test, keyword “morphine”. Was the family and Joy drug tested?
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Anonymous January 31st, 2010 at 19:09
If I had just lost a child for no obvious reason and the new nurse was acting flaky, damn right I would be looking around for some kind of information. I’d be telling my suspicions to the police as well, which it seems like the family did from the get go. The Weavers wanted an autopsy. They consented to disinter the body to get the autopsy that they wanted (and that should have been performed) before the burial. Sure, the coroner can get a court order if need be, but in this case, he didn’t have to. There was no contest from the family. They wanted justice.
Why did Carol Weaver pursue this issue? BECAUSE HER SON WAS KILLED BY JOY WOOMER. How can it be any more plain? If I was in a similar position, I’d move heaven and earth for justice to be served.
And where do nurses remove only the feeding tube as a cleaning up habit, leaving pretty much everything else behind?
Anyone can pass a lie detector test? Why didn’t Woomer then? She could have taken one from the DA or one from her own defense. Ask her. No one forced her to talk to the police. And when detectives are asking about a dead child full of morphine, anyone with an IQ in the three digits would know it’s time to consult your attorney. Joy figured she could just talk her way out of it.
Joy Woomer is exactly where she belongs. Anyone who wants to support her, that’s fine. Just don’t expect to hear the truth about what happened from her lips.
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Concerned January 31st, 2010 at 19:34
She didn’t just remove the feeding tube, she completely cleaned up. Big difference.
Here’s my problem with what you’re saying, why would Joy kill Brent? What motivation would she get from it? She didn’t get money. In 20 years of nursing she hasn’t any similar situations, so why now and not within that 20 years? and why Brent?
And how do you know she didn’t take a lie detector? Was that disclosed somewhere?
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persona non gratin January 31st, 2010 at 20:05
If you’ve got about $1500 to blow, you can get a copy of the transcript. That’s about what it costs at 0.90 a page.
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Concerned January 31st, 2010 at 20:36
I could copy the transcripts for less at Kinkos. What a rip off. Sounds like a way to keep the general public out of the loop. They should at the very least offer the transcripts to the media.
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Concerned January 31st, 2010 at 21:04
[deep short sigh] no friends tonight [pout, fat bottom lip]…. lonely [sniffle]…
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I’m working on it Concerned! We can’t take over seroius topics comforting you! We are here for you whether you see us or not! Please don’t sniffle - I feel so bad!
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Moon Dust January 31st, 2010 at 22:40
Becky, LOL you should just add a chat room to this site. I know if you google you could get a free one to add here.
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Anonymous February 1st, 2010 at 07:15
The extension tube is the tube that hooks into the g-tube and then the pump feeding hooks into that to deliver a feeding.
Nurses don’t ALWAYS clean up after themselves. Believe me! I’m not saying she didn’t but I’m sure there was a trash can in the home to throw things away as well. They don’t stuff it in their pockets? Would you stuff a feeding tube (full of liquid feeding or water that sometimes drips out into your pocket or would you put it in a close trash can?) I think anonymous is saying she left the bag still hanging but cleaned everything else up? If she wanted to clean up, why not clean up everything? Why only a few select things?
My feelings about why she killed the child was not that she wanted to kill him but that she wanted to have him sleep so she didn’t have to do much work. Slip him a little for a better night sleep. Maybe she did this before but not everyone is allergic to Morphine. Maybe he kept on moaning so she thought she would add a little bit more thinking he wasn’t getting enough - but maybe the moaning was his allergic reaction to the Morphine. Some people have a high tolerance for pain meds - and she obviously didn’t know he was allergic.
Maybe she did take a lie detector test but if she passed don’t you think they would be screaming this information out??
When Mrs. Weaver went to dress her son at the funeral home she realized that a full autopsy wasn’t done on her son. She requested that one be done on him. Then, again, at the funeral, see below:
“Almost immediately after he died, she voiced suspicions that Woomer had something to do with Brent’s death.
According to Assistant District Attorney Randall Miller, Carol Weaver had insisted at Brent’s funeral a week later that the Lancaster County coroner should conduct a full autopsy.” (according to LNP article).
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abbylynn February 1st, 2010 at 08:53
Anonymous January 31st, 2010 at 14:06
Abbylynn: You must check your facts. He had a reaction to Morphine and another medication similar to this. They would not send the child home with that type of medication with his history.
Even if they found a syringe with her (the nurse’s) fingerprints on it, I’m sure you would say that the cops or maybe the mom planted that evidence or some sort of nonsense and still blame the mom for the killing. Remember, the nurse took the extension tube with her and did not throw it out in the trash cans in the home - why? What was she hiding????
A mom putting another monitor in her room so she could make sure nothing bad was happening to her son….THAT SNEAKY MOM!!! HOW DARE she want to make sure her son is not being abused by random “nurses” that are coming into her home!
frustrated nurse: my child has had multiple surgeries, of which, has had to be on morphine multiple times. They refused to release my child from the hospital because my child was still on Morphine. This was two hospitals, not one. Also, I am sure people can get it online (but I’m also sure they checked into that idea - if any was purchased, the defense would have been all over it). Isn’t it a little odd that around this same time she (the nurse) had access to Morphine yet there was no traceable evidence that the parents received any of this “on the side”.
If I did the crime, I wouldn’t be pushing for answers either.
Yes, Anonymous …He had a reaction to Morphine.By far that DOESN”T mean he’s allergic to it!.I do have my facts exactly right I was in the court room,not for the whole trial but enough to see how Joy was railroaded.That courtroom was a nightmare of lies and untruths.Not to mention what went on in the hallways before and after court.That kids parents and brothers parading past poor Joys family was given lunch,a Private room to play monopoly,all the pleasures of a get away.Poor Joys family sat right outside the courtroom doors w/no where to even hang there coats and 4 lousy seats to sit in.I watched both Families,and Becky will tell anyone I pick up on things no one else notices.I’ve always been that way. If the mom wanted a good nights sleep and was bugging the hell out of Bayada to get a nurse Why ….wouldn’t see take advantage of having a professional watch her kid???.Extension tube w/her Who says???……What happened to the feeding bag the mom supposedly took care of?.The police handled this poorly from the very start.The mom saying lets think about this,to reviving him………..its way to telling in my book.Most ppl would spend a fortune to save an animal they loved.Just saying something isn’t right.So Poor Joy gets the blame.As far as I’m concerned it’s Bull!!!.And by the way I never said they sent him home w/ it…….I said the mom had access to it.
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Moon Dust February 1st, 2010 at 10:08
Anonymous - The child was already on a sedative that was administered to him before Joy got to the home that night.
Also Brents chart should have had a full list of meds he was allergic to. When someone is caring for my child for whatever reason (baby sitter, doctor, nurse) first thing I tell them is the meds my child is allergic to, even if my child is not taking any meds at the time (in case he would get sick or something while I am not there) to avoid harm to my child.Also WHY didn’t the coroner do a full autopsy if Carol Weaver insisted on it before the body was buried? The full autopsy was not done until a month later when the tox reports came in and the coroner called to have his body exhumed. IMO autopsy should have been done asap. To many holes in this case, very fishy to me.
Nancy Grace should check into this one.
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Anonymous February 1st, 2010 at 11:11
A getaway? Last time I checked, the Weaver’s weren’t on trial for murder. There son was killed. I don’t think sitting in a court room is considered a getaway. So, they had their own room, big deal. They are not the ones on trial. If they were in Woomer’s seat I’m sure they wouldn’t be given “special considerations” either.
Resuscitation efforts: You do not know how long they were trying to revive the child before the mother said this. Ultimately, they did decide to continue resuscitation efforts, did they not?
She was “bugging” Bayada because the regular nurse was off for a week and her child was sick and they weren’t getting enough rest. If you were to get a certain amount of nursing care and were up all hours of the night wouldn’t you try to get someone in so you could sleep a straight 6-8 hours a night?
The mom noticed there was a lot more feeding left than should be in the feeding bag as she was cleaning up. This is when she noticed the tube was gone. She actually disposed of the bag in their trash can, the extension tubing was not. If the police wanted that, they could have taken it. So, you either have the tube attached to the boy or the nurse took it. The nurse says she cleaned up. She says she cleaned up EMT stuff and tubing. Yet, the officer did not find the tubing in the trash cans of the home and neither did the parents. Did she deny that she took it with her, out of the home?
I would say respiratory distress from Morphine, Codeine and other sedatives where he had to be revived before this incident would mean that he had some sort of allergic reaction to it. Wouldn’t you agree?
So, you are saying the nurse went in and checked on the boy to make sure he was “alive and kicking” between the hours of 2:45am and 6am? Like she should have done since this was her job? So, if she did this and the boy was alive until 6am that means that three to four hours before this he had the Morphine given to him. That leaves the nurse. Unless, the mom or dad tip toed down the stairs or maybe even the little kids tip toed down the stairs and gave the Morphine without the nurse seeing that someone passed her.
Now, lets say that the mom had access to the narcotic and mixed the morphine in with his feeding. The feeding was started by the mom. The food was given at a rate of 90cc/hr. I’m not sure when the feeding started but she was upstairs when the nurse came in so assume it was before 11pm when the nurse arrived. If she put it in the bag, some of that would filter into the boy early on in the shift. He would be having issues when she went to do her assessment, if she did one. How low was his pulse? Was it his normal rate? Did she see any signs of anything different. She could check prior nursing notes to find this information out. That is why they keep a copy of prior nights/days. For nurses to go back and see if there have been any changes, etc. Did she note that anything was out of the ordinary? If she did her job, she could have saved herself if she was set-up. If he had Morphine in his system before the nurse got there, he would not be moaning and feeling any sort of pain.
How did the mom have access to it? I’m not denying the fact that your “ordinary joe” has access to these things. I wouldn’t even know where to start looking for this stuff, to be honest. But, in your mind, you seem 100% sure that the mom had access to this medication, why?
So, because you think you see things no one else does that means the mom is somehow guilty of killing her son? I think you have too many emotions and aren’t seeing the facts clearly.
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Anonymous February 1st, 2010 at 11:12
Moondust - It was cough medicine the mom gave..not a sedative - although sometimes the cough medicines can cause you to become drowsy.
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Anonymous February 1st, 2010 at 11:31
Moon Dust: My child is allergic to certain things and I do not tell each nurse about it. Yes, it should be noted in his chart, I agree. However, I must say that I’ve told the agency and doctors and it took a while for it to be written in the chart. I’m not even sure if one of the things is listed at this point yet.
I would not even think about telling the nurse he was allergic to morphine (I don’t think) because I wouldn’t have it in my home to give. In fact, my child is allergic (or has a reaction) to a med and I don’t tell the nurses this. But, I don’t have it in my home to administer to my child. And, the nurse shouldn’t be bringing any other sort of medication and giving it to my child either. Now, if I were to go to the hospital I most definitely would tell them all allergic reactions (medicine and food) because they have access to all of that. That is my thought process. If you told every nurse everything, you’d be there all day going over things and no one has time for that.
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Anonymous February 1st, 2010 at 11:35
MoonDust: I’m sorry I keep forgetting to put things! I agree the full autopsy should have been done. I guess the coroner didn’t see any reason to believe that he died of anything but natural causes. I don’t know what steps you have to take once a body is delivered to the funeral home from the morgue. Is it as simple as - send this body back because I demand a full autopsy and then they comply? I’m not sure. What I know from the papers is that the mom questioned why a full autopsy wasn’t done on her son when she went to dress him at the funeral home.
Does anyone know this information?
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Daisy Lee Myers, RN February 1st, 2010 at 13:03
FYI
Someone asked for pictures of
tube feeding bag and extension tubes
click on link below:
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Anonymous February 1st, 2010 at 13:04
Nancy Grace is the very LAST person Joy would want bringing attention to this case.
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Anonymous February 1st, 2010 at 13:25
abbylynn February 1st, 2010 at 08:53
“That kids parents and brothers parading past poor Joys family was given lunch,a Private room to play monopoly,all the pleasures of a get away.Poor Joys family sat right outside the courtroom doors w/no where to even hang there coats and 4 lousy seats to sit in.”
Are you honestly begrudging a victim’s family a room to be together and cheap court provided meal? Because that says all anyone could ever need to know about you.
A flippin “get away”???!!!! Listen up, lady, where I come from, a get away involves beaches, mountains, staying out late, sleeping in late, manipedis and drinks with little umbrellas in them. It doesn’t involve the trial for the MURDER of your child.
If you were so concerned about Woomer’s family, then you should have taken them out somewhere for lunch. I don’t recall anyone holding them in those “4 lousy seats”. Next post, I’m sure you’ll have enhanced that to say those seats were covered with spikes, and the seats the Weavers had were padded with built in butt warmers.
Justice Has Found Joy.
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abbylynn February 1st, 2010 at 18:07
No anonymous,My next post will be how Joy’s Parents and Family and Friends went on trial either!.And is anonymous a synonym for a member or friend of the weaver family?.
You can call it a flippen gateway,but it must be nice to get MORE attention for something that happened 6 long yrs ago. I really believe Joy had NOTHING to gain by killing that kid!.That’s where I stand.FYI this is a web site to post your feeling and ideas.Hell if you don’t like mine hit the X in the right hand corner.Hopefully Joy will recieve justice 1 day.
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abbylynn February 1st, 2010 at 18:18
Parents and Family and Friends WERN”T on trial,is what I ment to say
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Moon Dust February 1st, 2010 at 19:50
They should have had the same treatment as the Weaver family….and I don’t consider it a get away, However, Joys friends, parents and her 2 children should have had a room for privacy during the “breaks”. Why should they be treated like criminals?
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abbylynn February 1st, 2010 at 20:44
Exactly… Moon Dust.I used the word get away more or less as sarcasm because the posts have made it clear to me that Anonymous thinks they know more then anyone about the weaver family.
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persona non gratin February 1st, 2010 at 20:46
Just because a drug depresses respiratory effort does not mean the patient is allergic to it. They are entirely different.
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abbylynn February 1st, 2010 at 20:47
Yeah… they were padded but no butt warmers.NO JUSTICE HASN’T FOUND JOY YET!.This is only the beginning of a get away for the weavers.
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Anonymous February 1st, 2010 at 21:16
By that definition miss joy is going to be on a nice long get away no work gets all her food free. Lol wat r u upset for?
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abbylynn February 1st, 2010 at 21:28
So will the weavers from the money they collected from Bayada.They can tan at the pool and play more monopoly while they wait for a new trial.They have lots of free time now.
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Moon Dust February 1st, 2010 at 21:28
Nice thing for the Woomer children to read. This is a serious matter, nothing to joke about….2 families lives have been turned upside down. Joy’s children are going through hell since her arrest.
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Anonymous February 1st, 2010 at 21:55
Wever kids can read 2 can’t they? So if u want 2 b ignorant and talk about a parade in court I can say miss joy can show off her pretty new bracelets when she goes o parade. .
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Anonymous February 1st, 2010 at 22:12
Respiratory distress because of a medication is a side effect and is considered an adverse “reaction” to it. When the drug suppresses the respiratory system so much that it sends a person into cardiac arrest, I would say that is an allergic reaction. Or an adverse reaction to that medication. It definitely isn’t a normal reaction to the medication.
There are many “anonymous” people out there posting - so lets be clear about one thing. I do not know the Weaver’s and I do not know the Woomer family. I am going based on the facts that I have gathered from the papers. All inclusive. I do not have a stake in either families side as it appears some do - on both sides. The emotions are raw, it seems, and understandably so.
Having said that, I am sure the Weaver children are also reading these posts and should have the same respect as you think the Woomer children should - and I agree. They are not the ones on trial.
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Moon Dust February 2nd, 2010 at 15:20
Yes the Weaver kids can read too….however, Mrs. Woomer is home with her kids and she can monitor what they read by blocking websites on the computer.( Which I would do in this case) Also I do not know the ages of the Weaver children, all I know is that they are younger then the age Brent would be today, which my guess is around 18?
Joy Does not have that option to protect her children and we all know for sure that the Woomer children are reading the comments…her daughter is 14 and her son is 19.
FYI I am not the one that said anything about a parade. And I would like Nancy Grace to investage this…she gets to the bottom of these kind of cases, and if she would in fact find solid evidence against Joy then I would admit my theories and beliefs were wrong. But until someone has solid evidence I believe Joy is innocent. This is America people were all allowed to have our own beliefs, and freedom of speach…so don’t get your panties in a wad when you do not agree with what others opinions are. -
Moon Dust February 2nd, 2010 at 15:47
error correction…I mean Mrs Weaver is home with her kids.
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Anonymous February 2nd, 2010 at 17:28
I would have to think the Woomer children also have a caregiver who can block these pages.
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persona non gratin February 2nd, 2010 at 19:45
Well, Anonymous, you’re wrong. There is a difference. Do a google search and educate yourself before you assume too much. An adverse reaction is not necessarily the same thing as being allergic to a medication.
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Moon Dust February 2nd, 2010 at 20:12
“Anonymous
February 2nd, 2010 at 17:28I would have to think the Woomer children also have a caregiver who can block these pages”
Thats a smart statement, as the children are with a caregiver since their dad is a dead beat!
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Anonymous February 2nd, 2010 at 22:07
Excuse me “persona non gratin” I placed allergic in with the adverse reaction. I would consider that an allergic reaction but know that it is an adverse reaction. I see them as very similar. Each, in severe cases, cause death.
MoonDust: Like I said, I really don’t know them so I have no idea about their family life.
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